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  CSPAN    Town Hall Meeting in Tucson    Series/Special.  

    August 18, 2013
    10:35 - 11:51am EDT  

>> christina's parents are here. withpe everything is well you. she will always be in our hearts and prayers. i know you have a message for me. if you will wait until i finish my two hours of comments -- [laughter] of opening remarks, i would be glad to hear from you and other members of the audience. can you hear me ok in the back? no, ok. we have a beloved friend that passed away, and our thoughts and prayers are with his family. i came to see you today, as a usually do, to listen to you and
to exchange our views and thoughts. i know we will all do that in a respectful manner, including respect for the views of others who you may disagree with. it makes it less fun. [laughter] but a lot more enlightening. hello, how are you? could i just say, thanks, it is great to be back. i want to talk to you primarily there are lots of things rolling on in the world and i would be glad to talk about those with you, but i would like to mainly have my remarks about comprehensive immigration reform. as you know i'm a the u.s. senate passed a comprehensive -- as you know, the u.s. senate passed a conference of bill that passed by a majority in the u.s. senate, and now it is up to the u.s. house of representatives. and i believe that this legislation is not perfect. i do not think that any legislation that is a series of
compromises that need to be made is perfect, but i also would submit to you that this microphone is provided to you by the democratic national committee. [laughter] so there are a few fundamentals of this issue that i would like to point out. one is that we now have, for better or worse, 11 million people who are residing in this country illegally. many of them have come here recently. the large majority of them have been here for a long time. i do not believe that any of us think we're going going to round up 11 million people and send them back to wherever they came from. [applause] next thing you know, somebody is going to start booing, so please
[laughter] don't we agree that we need to address this issue? people have different views as to how to address this issue of 11 million people who are living in the shadows in our country, and i would be eager to listen to your views. but the approach we took was to have a legalization of people who came here before december 11 of the previous year, 2011, and they would have a legal status as long as they were able to make sure that they had not committed crimes and were law- abiding citizens. law-abiding citizens and then
they would have a legal status. then at that time, they would have to pay a fee. because this legislation is paid for by fees that would be levied, not on additional tax dollars. after a 10-year time span, then they would be allowed to apply for a green card. and that will have them continue on the path of citizenship. part of that is that we have to secure our borders and get 90% effective control of our borders. we need to have people who apply that will have to pay taxes, learn english, pay a fee, and get in line behind all of those who came to our country legally. >> [inaudible] >> so you are the one to blame, i see. work release program. [laughter] anyway -- and to get in line behind all of those who came to this country legally or are waiting legally. there are some exceptions to that.
one of them are the dreamers, a five-year time span. i would be more than happy to describe this to you. as far as stem -- science, technology, engineering, mathematics, postgraduate students who are in our postgraduate universities when they graduate, if they want to, they can stay in this country with a green card. over half the students and postgraduate are those that science, technology, engineering, and mathematics are non-citizens of this country. so we would give those students an opportunity to stay in the united states with a green card rather than going back to india, china, or wherever they came from. as far as agriculture workers, we will have an expanded program
for agriculture workers. we would also have the low income worker visas as well. one of the keys is 40% of the people in this country illegally do not cross our borders illegally. they came on a visa and overstayed that visa. the only real answer to that problem is something called e- verify. every person that seeks an ointment must have documentation that they are in this country legally. if they do not have the documentation, then if the employer hires them, that employer will suffer severe penalties. there have to be bounties for people who come here and hire people illegally. that is an important part of this proposal and we had the technology to do that. it is not a matter of not having the technology. there are other aspects.
i would like to mention a couple aspects that might be of interest to us. before i go into that, let me just say it is the broadest coalition of support that i have ever seen in anything i have done in legislation. the chamber of commerce and afl- cio came to an agreement and they presented it to us. the agriculture workers and growers can to an agreement and brought it to us. we did not negotiate that, they did here it we have the evangelical community behind us. the catholic church is supporting it. it is the broadest coalition of organizations. the high-tech community is fully behind it. a broad coalition of interests across the economic spectrum of the united states that is in support of that.
let me make a couple more points and then i will be glad to respond. i think it is important to you to realize what the congressional budget office said. the congressional budget office is respected by one and all for their opinions on the economy. they are not republican, not democrat, not liberal, not conservative. the congressional budget office says that this legislation would reduce the budget deficit by $850 billion over the next 20 years. it would add $300 million to the social security trust fund over the next 10 years. if the bill was passed with a pathway to citizenship and expanded visa programs, arizona's economic output would increase by $616 million and create 8016 jobs in 2014. this bill would increase the total personal income for arizona families by $2.5 billion in 2020. now there are people in this room who will say -- well, the border is not secure. the border is not secure, but it is a lot more secure than it was back in 1986 when we give
amnesty to 3 million people. the answer to border security is technology. we have developed technology in iraq and afghanistan where we can use surveillance and we can detect. an example, in iraq for my one of the biggest problems that we face was the ied's, the explosives. they developed a radar, thanks to general petraeus, and it not only detects people and that activity, it tracks the back to where they came from. it is an amazing technology. with drones, sensors, towers, and with surveillance, we can surveil the border. the equipment we can do that with we got directly from the border control. nine sectors on the border between california and texas. and they assure me that if we put in that technology which was appropriated in the bill, it
will not require additional taxpayer funds. we will have 90% effective control over our border. there is a lot more i can tell you about it. i am really interested in your views. i hope that our congressional delegation, who i respect and admire -- you know, they think very appropriately that we senators think we are snobs, and we are. by the way, as for republican numbers -- i am very happy -- [laughter] could i ask for your consideration? i ask your consideration because i think that a nation founded on judeo-christian principles should probably want to address this issue that we have before us. i and not saying it is perfect.
i am not saying it should not be changed as we continue to go through the process, but what we would like to see is the house of representatives passed legislation, whether it be piecemeal or however they want to, and then we can get a vote of confidence between the house and senate. we can start a procedure and come out with legislation that would get majorities in both house and senate and signed by the president of the united states. i would like to close my remarks by telling you an experience that i had a long time ago. every fourth of july, senator lieberman and senator graham of south carolina and south carolina and i have gone to either baghdad or kabul for the fourth of july. usually when we go we do a reenlistment ceremony or an awards ceremony and try to spend time with the troops who are serving us with such distinction and honor. in 2007 general petraeus asked
us to attend a reenlistment ceremony of some 220 american men and women in service who were reenlisting to stay and fight. and part of that ceremony was 80 people who had green cards and were going to receive their citizenship. many of you may know that if you have a green card and you join the military and serve, there is a separated path of citizenship. i believe 82 were going to receive citizenship at the same time. it took place in saddam hussein's old palace and there was probably a couple thousand people there. i walked in and saw four chairs where the citizenship ceremony was going to take place. i asked about them, and they said these individuals were killed in the last 48 hours and we are going to make them
citizens. you know, when you see things like that, it gives you an idea of how patriotic and how wonderful it is and what a great opportunity we have in this country and how precious our citizenship is. i guess what i'm asking you is to consider that we have an unacceptable situation as it is today and we need to all work together no matter where we are on the political spectrum to try to resolve that issue. thank you for coming and i would be glad to answer any questions or comments or insults that you may have. thank you. [applause] >> thank you for all your support. since we lost christina, we know you were right there with us. we appreciate that.
and our group -- [inaudible] many, many people. will you guys stand up? [applause] >> we want to thank you for supporting our background check on guns. [applause] >> along with your support, we would like to ask you if there is any chance -- maybe talk about some common sense solutions.
whether we agree or do not agree, as you mentioned earlier, we feel like there are some things that could be done. we would love to discuss more of that with you. thank you. >> i would be honored to do so. i would like to thank mark kelly and others for their continued advocacy. no one can appreciate the pain associated with the loss of a child, so there is no way that i can ever provide you with the comfort except the knowledge that you will see christina again. we thank you. thank you for your continued advocacy. >> we hope you will meet with us at a later date. >> absolutely.
yes, sir? >> i actually have a bunch of things i would like to ask you but i know i cannot do that. i do want to come back to the immigration issue for a moment. >> whatever is on anybody's mind, except the approval rating of congress. [laughter] >> i want to point out a couple of facts and get your opinion on what we should be doing there. yesterday and in today's paper, apparently we spent $13 million on 21 homes built in oslo, said to cost $600,000. it just shows the waste we have in government. i would like to see something that explains how any of that can be justified. >> [inaudible] i would be glad to have a conversation continued. it cannot be justified.
they cannot be. and people should be fired. >> yesterday and the day before, the justice department came out and said they were not going to go and file charges against the two border control agents who were involved in shooting and killing individuals. ok, it took two years to find this out. from what i can tell, there is no justification for this to continue to go on and there should be charges filed against these agents. almost a year ago there were two shootings in october involving agents in southern arizona. one had to do with friendly fire. in the idea that two agents were out there and they did not know that the other agent was out there, and they both shot at
each other. one of those agents was killed. the supervisor or the superior of those agents should be held accountable. we have another shooting that took place at the border. a border patrol agent went up to the fence and shot through an opening in the fence and hit a 16-year-old child in the back seven times killing him. there is no justification for that. if the reverse situation have been true and a mexican border patrol agent shot an american child running away from the border, what do you think would happen? how long is it going to take for us to hear about this? supposedly the fbi is doing the research on this. the border patrol will not give me information.
the fbi would not give me information. i think i deserve an answer from either organization. the last thing i want to say is in your immigration bill, we're talking about adding another 20,000 border patrol agents. the agents we have, unfortunately a large number of the agents are not qualified to be in the position they are in. what we need another 20,000 agents for, i do not know. >> thank you for your passion. all i can say is investigations need to be conducted. oversight has to be -- sabotage. [laughter] a left-wing conspiracy. u.s. request and is serious and deserves a serious answer.
i think you for your advocacy and your passion. when these things happen, there has to the investigation. there has to be oversight by congress. in some cases, there have to be hearings as the were in fast and furious where our government was sending weapons to mexico that were being used by drug cartels. there has to be an investigation when brian terry is shot and killed by drug cartel people. there has to be an investigation when a rancher from southern arizona was shot and killed by armed individuals which we assume were people who were members of the drug cartels. it is a dangerous place. when we have these armed drug cartels moving drugs across our border in arizona where there are guides guiding them and bringing the drugs up to tucson
and into phoenix and distributed throughout the country, we have a serious problem. it requires us to have a national discussion. the problem is the drug cartels on the violent side. there is a demand for drugs in the united states. as long as there is demand, there will be supply. whether they dig tunnels or have a submarine, no matter what it is, we have to talk about the issue of drugs in america. it is a violent place when you have armed cartel members bringing drugs across the border into our country. i do not excuse any action that took place on any of the incidents he declared.
to some health think it is not dangerous when cartel members are bringing drugs into this country is not an adequate reading of the situation on the border. i have visited all the time. i think the answer to the border patrol is technology. i think you have a point about additional border patrol. one of the things we need more of is customs people so we can expedite traffic back and forth. there are some of us here old enough to remember we used to be able to walk across and have lunch in nogales and walked back. think about doing that today. you bring up problems on the border, and with this surveillance capability, we will be able to keep people back, and then we will be able to send these teams out.
finally, the coyotes. we know these coyotes are the worst scum-of-the-earth people, and they are bringing people into tucson and up to phoenix and putting them in drop houses where they hold them in the most unspeakable conditions and then hold them for ransom that their families back in mexico. it is an argument for getting our borders secure, but also an argument for us to address the entire issue of illegal immigration. i thank you for your passion. yes, sir. >> [indiscernible] >> go ahead. >> you are not answering why and what we are going to do with border patrol agents. [indiscernible]
>> every citizen of this country has the benefit of innocence of proven guilty. that is a fundamental quality of our democracy. there should be complete and thorough investigation, congressional oversight, and our system of justice exercised. the worst criminals still have the presumption in the united states of innocence until proven guilty. you may have already proven that guilty, but he is entitled to all protections of our laws. on the face of it, i think you may be right, but i would reserve judgment for the investigation and the courts. yes, sir. >> i am a member of the county medical society public health community. we have been working on trying to do something about guns.
and first, i wanted to congratulate you for the stand you have taken on background and i want to add i am not a member of your party. i am a retired naval officer. and i believe that we should do better on controlling -- we are trying to get some local controls since we cannot get it to the congress. but too many of your colleagues are cowed by the national rifle association, and so we are hoping possibly, we want you to do something locally. we have a lot of -- in tucson,
and people could go there and sell them to the cartels, to the mentally ill, and to kids, and gun manufacturers do not care who buys them as long as they buy them. i am hoping that you will exert your influence, and i know that it did not go through congress, and i do not have too much hope that it would. but wherever it could be used to help, among other things, as you our bordered out -- won't be a killing zone. thank you. >> thank you, sir. thank you for your advocacy. we need a female questioner here. >> i think it is a very bad practice for the congress to get favors as far as the health care
premiums are concerned. and i think if obamacare is such a disaster, then you guys should be willing to defund it and get rid of it. >> i totally agree. it came as a surprise to me that it happened. i strenuously opposed obamacare, but for us to have some kind of exemption card out -- i do not what happened, but to try to find out what happened and how it happened. in case you missed it, it will contribute to the favorability of congress. it is around 12%. i saw we are down to paid staffers and blood relatives. no one else. i was going through sky harbor airport and a guy said, anybody ever tell you you look a lot like senator john mccain? i said yeah. he said, doesn't it sometimes make you mad as hell?
this latest act as you point out get your bids to that american people that members of congress divorce them from the challenges that they have. they are correct. all i can tell you is it is a surprise to me. i will look into it. i do not know how you justify it. yes, sir, could we just have this young man. then we will go to you. >> i am a student, and i wanted to know [indiscernible] i wanted to know if there is any proposition in congress to stem our demand for drugs as well is actually keeping them out of the u.s. >> which drugs? >> [indiscernible] i did not know if that apply to
the drugs as well. >> i'm glad you mentioned it, because i am conflicted on this issue. as you know, people of arizona voted that marijuana will be legal in arizona for medicinal purposes, and that has been broadly interpreted. that has been the story in the case of other state in america. we also have a situation where we are intercepting marijuana at the border, and yet at the same time there is people who are growing marijuana legally for sale to those who need it for medicinal purposes, and we have seen in california and other states widespread people who have illnesses that require the use of marijuana. so, the attorney general of the united states the day before
yesterday -- or yesterday -- announced that they were going to try to adjust the war on drugs to the most serious drug crimes. one draws the conclusion that they are not going to pay much attention to minor crimes. there is also a problem we have today, and i always make up my mind on things, but half the people in prison today in the united states are on drug charges, and some on more minor charges than others, and there is such a thing as mandatory sentences which has caused dramatic overcrowding of prisons. federal courts have ordered california to reduce dramatically their prison population. this is really a conversation that the american people have to have. we have to decide what you think is acceptable in america and what we think is not.
i would like to mention one other aspect of it, and i would be glad to hear your points. when i see movies and television programs where the use of cocaine in particular is glamorized, then i wonder if that is a beneficial effect on young americans. and so, we need to have this conversation, and i think it is pretty clear that there is at least in some respects a growing acceptance in the united states, and i am not saying that i am one of them, of the use of recreational drugs. we need to have that conversation. i thank you for the question. can i go to this lady right here? she will bring it. >> my boss sent me and i have to come back with an answer. [laughter] >> sounds like discrimination.
>> i work at a hospice, and we were affected by sequestration. we are paid solely by medicare. her question is, what is the budget, what is going to happen october 1 if we have a government shutdown? we will lose all our funding, and we have 300 patients that are dying in tucson that will not get their hospice care. so -- and is the status quo -- do you think sequestration will end on october 1, or do you think the cuts will and end at any time? >> it has been wonderful, the growing acceptance and
realization that hospice is really a wonderful way, if people choose, to spend our remaining days on earth. and the growth of hospice -- and i have had relatives who have chosen to make that choice -- has been a wonderful and caring and loving way for us all to go to my sooner or later. thank you for what you do. on sequestration -- i do not know what will happen. i know from previous experience that if we yet to this shutdown of the government, the grand canyon and the washington monument and everything that what happened when we shut down the government, the american people will react in a negative fashion and will blame congress. there are some of my colleagues in the congress that say we have to repeal obamacare if we're going to raise the debt limit. my friends, that does not work.
i want to repeal obamacare. it happens to be the way i voted, but it is not the way it will happen. we do not have 67 votes in the united states senate, which was what would be required to override a presidential veto. and so, i think it is not a right approach. what i do want to continue this effort, to repeal parts of obamacare, which are very onerous and are very harmful in my view to healthcare in america. i do not know what is going to happen, but i believe we will not shut down the government. i believe it is time the american people are heard they want us to sit down together and avoid what is turning into every year or every two years that we threaten people like you. it contributes -- i joke about the congress, but i am not proud of that. what i think is going to happen is some way we will keep you in
business, and sequestration is not the answer. sequestration was a copout on the part of congress because instead of making the specific reductions that need to be made, like second homes that are $600,000, and it hurts our military because they exhibit so many programs that the burden is being forced on the military. i will tell you one thing, you talk to your friends out at the base, they are questioning whether they want to stay in the military or not, when they are not allowed to fly, not allowed to maintain, not allowed to operate, not allowed to exercise because of sequestration. in the interest of full disclosure, i voted for it. dumbest vote i made while i have been in the congress.
so all i am trying to do is sit down with democrats and the president and sit down with my republican colleagues and we stop this and stop it for a time instead of have this be so often that the american people are not sure and people like you are not sure of their future. yes, sir. >> thank you. i want to thank you for your leadership. i think washington needs were leaders like yourself. i think you are very courageous and if is very admirable. if you are not busy, i would like you to take me with you. my question is, how do you work with your colleagues? as you may have heard, congressman king has said a lot of hateful things, and he has hateful rhetoric.
specifically, he has introduced an amendment that has not gotten past to defund deferred action, or daca, and how do you work with your colleagues so that does not harm the rhetoric of the republican party? >> let me respond to you first. the remarks that were made by congressman king -- it is a free country, he can say whatever he wants to. i can say that is outrageous and disgraceful to make a comment that people have calves the size of cantaloupes -- i will not repeat what he said. i have also a right -- he has the right to say what he wants to say -- and i think it is very harmful to the dialogue and the
environment that we want to foster in america, where we are all god's children. the best way to handle this is treat your opponents with respect. if you are disrespectful to those who disagree with you no matter who they are, then you diminish yourself and you diminish your ability to convince your colleagues. i will go to the floor -- i miss ted kennedy all the time because i used to spend half my time fighting like hell with him and half my time agreeing with him. there were freshman two senators, democrat and republican, who got into an argument about our imagery procedure on the floor. ted came down to help the
democrats and i came down to help the republican. we were nose to nose for about five minutes. we walked off the floor, and teddy said, we did pretty good, did we? we have to be respectful of everybody's views. when people disagree with you, you are free to respond, but if i can have an effect on this issue, it is because i have some respect for my colleagues. that is the best way asked the best way to get that is be respectful of the views of your colleagues even if you disagree. the gentleman behind you. >> thank you very much. i do appreciate it. i have one hard question for you. [indiscernible] you and i disagree on occasion. i am very happy [indiscernible]
you made some tough choices and i think you made the right choices. thank you for that. on the budget -- why are we doing continuing resolutions? they should not be funded. they cannot because we are on a continuing resolution. >> thank you for your service and i thank you for your representation, and i believe i speak for a lot of us that appreciate the hard work that you do. for four years, we've delayed for it, the democrats, for not passing a budget in the united states senate.
this year we finally passed a budget in the senate. my republican colleagues in the senate do not want to go to conference with the house. i do not understand that. i do not get it. i went to the floor and said i thought we were wrong. it is a symptom of the gridlock that we have. and it is very unfortunate. everybody has to live on some kind of a budget. the congress is the only one that does not. it is not acceptable. >> i am one of those people who seriously appreciate you being here, and i appreciate your history of open-mindedness and fairness. the gridlock you just alluded to is almost beyond belief. my discussions with people i know, friends and relatives, it seems to me an underlying issue is racism.
there is a lot of animosity toward the president. that is an observation. personally, i do not believe that. if you look at the places where racism exists, it seems to have their congressman support this. the congress is not doing what the people want, but racism is an underlying issue. my question to you is, to you believe there is racism in this country, and is it affecting politics in the congress? >> sir, i believe that unfortunately there is racism in this country, but i think we have made dramatic progress over the last 20 or 30 years thanks to a lot of people.
a lot of sacrifice was made. i think there has been, for example, in the military we used to have a segregated military in world war ii. harry truman integrated our military during the korean war. i would argue today the military is the best equal opportunity employer in america. so i think we have made dramatic progress. do i believe we have a long way today? i certainly do until we eradicate sexism. we now have a problem with sexual assaults. they're trying to grapple with that issue. we cannot have young men and women joining the military and some young men who are at the risk of being victims of sexual assault. i do not believe that racism motivates my colleagues. i believe what motivates my colleagues is a fundamental philosophical difference about the role of government in our society. and obamacare the best example of that. what you believe, we conservatives believe that less government is better, less
regulation, and on and on. that is what we believe. president obama believes and he articulated in the debate that he and i had in 2008. he believes in bigger government, stimulus packages, he believes in funding of projects in my view that are already developed. we have seen huge failures of investments that we have made in certain mature industries. i reject that categorically. there may be someone somewhere, but i believe the opposition is because of a fundamental opposition in philosophy about the role of government in our society. and frankly, i reject the notion that people who have fundamental differences, which is one of the reason we have two parties, would have any base motives. yes, ma'am. >> on the subject of the
military sexual assault -- [indiscernible] on the subject of military sexual trauma [indiscernible] whatever you want to call it -- [indiscernible] a movie portrays my experience, and i would like to provide your copy of that so you can share with your constituents. >> thank you, i would be honored, and i have already heard about it, and i would be glad to see it. since you bring it up, i would like to make brief remarks about it. there is a problem with sexual assaults in the military. there is a problem. for anybody to deny it,
obviously the facts do not bear that out. i am proud of the military. i am proud to have two sons who have served in the military. i am proud of my family, for many generations. but this cannot stand, and action has to be taken to prevent further unspeakable actions such as this, and the question is, how do you address it? and the debate now is what is the role of the commanding officer and whether the commanding officer should be deprived of that responsibility or whether it should be reviewed or not under the uniform code of military justice, and we have been wrestling with it for a long time in the armed services committee. we will take up the defense bill, and you will see more debate and discussion and voting on that bill. i want to assure you one thing i think it has the attention of the members of the senate, and i hope everybody takes this in the right way. i think it is helpful we have 20 women senators in the senate, and i hope that does not mean that i'm saying that i am insensitive. but it is helpful in the senate
to have that input that we are getting from many of our women senator colleagues. senator mccaskill of missouri and senator gillibrand are on opposite sides of this issue, and i try not to get on the middle of that one. yes, ma'am. there is a microphone. >> thank you so much for listening to me. i work for an amazing company that services the hard-of- hearing individuals in the country, and it is an amazing service, and the fcc is proposing regulations that are against the ada act of 1990. they are wanting to have individuals push a captioning button on each time they use a phone, and a lot of time they do not remember and they miss the first sentence because they do
not push the button. they want us to charge our consumers $75 a phone when they are already paying for the broadband internet and phone service. i am hoping that something can be done because we help individuals every day and we help the military and all those individuals that are hard of hearing. i hope you can take some action. >> i will have my staff interview you immediately of this problem. i was unaware of it. i will be glad to address it. but i will just say the americans with disability act i think was one of the most wonderful things we have done in recent years. there were some problems with that, but the fact is it is a model to the world. a lot of good things would not have happened if it had not been for that. thank you for all you do and we will be glad to have our people talk to you and address it. yes, ma'am. now, you do not have to read anything.
>> i know. i want to thank you so much for being a part of comprehensive immigration reform. my father got his citizenship and he worked hard for our family to be where we are today. i will read my notes. as the nation has moved up beyond a mentality of passage of a law -- [indiscernible] the economic benefit of bringing the undocumented of the shadows. my question to you [indiscernible] what can we do here in arizona to help other communities understand the importance of this bill and how it can be passed in the house? thank you. >> i think you need to be
active, but i really urge you to be respectful. i think it is important we not show disrespect, especially on an issue as emotional as this is, and i know that is hard to do for some of our people who have been heavily involved in these issues. i would also try to point out we do not always respond exactly to the will of the people, but it is very clear in poll after poll after poll that 70% or more of our citizens -- republican, democrat, independent -- support a path to citizenship if back taxes, fees, learn english, and get in the back of the line, that you see an overwhelming majority of americans want to move in that path.
so that is what i think we need to convince our opponents that this is the right thing to do at the right time. and i would respectfully ask the opponents of this legislation, what is your proposal? the answer may be we do not trust obama to enforce laws that we pass. that could be, but then we should not pass any laws if we do not trust the government to enforce them. and if the president of the united states does not enforce the law, there are ways to go to court -- because we have a judicial branch -- and get those reversed. a small example, the president made some appointments during a recess, which was unconstitutional in our view. we are fighting it all the way through the courts, to the national labor relations board. and it is going to be heard by the united states supreme court who will judge that the president acted unconstitutionally. that is the process, not saying we cannot pass laws to secure our border because they will not
secure our border. that is not in my view the way to go. i will do that, and there's a young man who is very eager to rebut whatever you said. yes, sir. >> senator mccain, i want to echo the words of my friend, thank you for coming to tucson. we would like to see you more down here. thank you for coming down here and talking to the people. i want to talk about immigration reform. a big issue, thank you, and we appreciate your work, a tough political thing on capitol hill, and as a former state lawmaker, we need a comprehensive immigration solution because what we have been seeing at the state capital has not worked. it has only harmed our state economically. we need a solution from washington. i appreciate -- >> i think you are right, and if our entire delegation,
republican and democrat, senator flake and i hoped it would help our organization somewhat, don't you agree? go ahead. >> i certainly do. with all due respect, we still need all the help we can get from washington. i call for that support. >> i have accumulated a lot of seniority. i will not live forever, contrary to popular belief. it should not be based on seniority. it should be based on virtue. he should have a level playing field of everybody competing for tax dollars.
we should not have it spent on the basis of seniority or clout. otherwise, soon or later we suffer because we are going to have new members of the congress and senate. arizona sends a lot more money to washington than it gets back. what our job i think should be is -- rather than saying let me put her feet in the trough. that is where we might have a slight disagreement. >> we just need to get our money back. thank you for working on it. on immigration reform, i want to talk to the issue. i have not had it come up. a big issue, very important. you spoke to the comments on the largess of the senate bills, that corker amendment, which made it very expensive, and i believe you yourself made a comment that i thought was on the money that if we pass this
bill we are going to have the most militarized border since the fall of the berlin wall. what i am asking for, is what can we do to help a common-sense solution come out of washington, not this one size of an approach of building a wall on the border that when you go down and look at places on the border -- it just does not make sense. it does not make sense, and the politics in washington seem to favor that. what can we do to have a more commonsense approach on immigration reform? related to that -- >> let me respond. that is why we have the process that we pass a bill in some legislative house, we go to conference, and we can address some of the problems that have arisen that people have with the
legislation as we passed it. that is the process, as you know. go ahead. >> thank you, and your comments on technology will do it. the bill managed hundreds of miles of the border, and we hope that can be addressed commonsensical. on another issue, in arizona and it is already hot and dry. we live in a hot and dry say. science shows our climate is changing. the consensus is clear that activities of humans contribute to a different climate. what do you think are the possibilities for addressing energy and climate in a way that will make sense to protect our quality of life and to protect our economy? coming from a state that is hot and dry, science will show it will continue to be hot and dry. what can we do about climate change? thank you. >> thank you very much, and thank you for your service. we will have to have a town hall
meeting on the issue. it was barry goldwater who used to say we have so little water that the trees chase the dogs. that was a joke. you were supposed to laugh. anyway -- i think the earth is warming and i think the question is how you address it. i worry about increasing people's taxes. i think we can rely to some degree on some technological advances as opposed to increasing taxes on americans who i think are taxed enough, for certain, in these tough economic times. there is some good news. this fracking, we are now going to be an energy-rich nation. we will export natural gas to europe which will diminish the
european dependence on russian oil, and this whole fracking thing is turning into incredible good news for america. it will make us energy independent for over a period, depending on how we do it in the next 10 or 20 years. natural gas is much cleaner. i think that is a lot of good news, and the technology is good. i think that with some incentives from the government, we are seeing automobiles with dramatically increased mileage. i have a car -- i have a ford fusion, and i never stop at a gas station. there is cars on the market that are much more fuel efficient than they used to be. it is the market that is driving that, so there are a lot of things we can do in incentivized technology, in my view, that we
have not explored instead of raising people's taxes. because i just do not think that right now with americans still in a stumbling recovery that we would want to raise taxes. yes, ma'am. >> thank you. [indiscernible] were at your town hall carol son wase] murdered and aurora. thank you very much. she asked me to tell you that. >> thank you from the bottom of my heart. >> i will tell you her. whenever we talked about immigration reform, being in arizona is like racial profiling. what is happening on the west coast and east coast and the canadian border? i know all sorts of asians coming in through containers.
does our immigration reform stop racial profiling and address that issue also? >> thank you for the question. the fact is because of the disparities in our economy and in the mexican economy, and understandably, many mexican citizens and central americans, south american citizens want to come here. canadians, because basically we have an equal economic situation, are not driven to come to -- when you look at the numbers, it is nothing in comparison to what crosses our southern border. and we need to make improvements there. i am not saying we should ignore it. i am saying the major issue is still across our southern border. i would like to give you a little good news. that is the mexican economy is improving there.
there are some indications right now -- and he have not got enough -- that there may be a balance between in-migration and out-migration because the mexican economy is giving them an opportunity to live where they live. i think there is some good news out of that. the greatest disparity between two nations in the world as far as economic conditions is the united states and mexico. that is improving rather significantly. they have a young president who is surrounded by some very talented people. as you may have noticed, they are going to reform pemec and will be able to increase oil production. they are talking about deregulating the communications industry it is totally
controlled by one guy, the richest man in the world, as a matter of fact. it costs something like five times in mexico to make a phone call than it does in the united states. that is outrageous. we are seeing some signs of hope and life there and i would like to give you a little -- >> thank you for supporting background checks. i have visited your office since my daughter was murdered in 1999 with a gun that was legally bought in a gun shop. the majority of people who buy guns that murder people without a background check are not the mentally ill. it is criminals. [indiscernible] >> that may be true, but generally speaking, criminals kill criminals, ok? there are signs -- i do not want to get into an argument with you, especially -- but there are signs everyone of these people committed these harmful acts when you look back rest
retrospectively should have raised alarms. someone who is a criminal, then that is much harder to predict what their behavior is going to be. it is my understanding from careful study of these cases, there were indications the individuals who did this should have rung an alarm bell someplace along the line. please go ahead. >> my question to you is about a national gun trafficking bill. there is no national bill that imposes criminal sanctions for gun trafficking. so guns can move pretty freely between states. gun trafficking is controlled by states at this moment. we are in desperate need of a national gun trafficking bill. >> i would be glad to look at it. if you have a proposal, we have
a states rights issue here, but things that cross state lines become federal issues. i would be glad to examine it, any proposal you might have. i am open to looking at almost anything. >> [indiscernible] we have become very good friends for all these survivors, and i am honored to do. >> there is such a thing as a silver lining. but that is it. to be friends with people. i would like to on a personal note say that i have a dear friend who went to the military with you. >> thank you. a great american. thank you. yes, ma'am. >> senator, my name is rita garcia.
i would like to thank you for coming to south tucson. i wanted you to know about how i wanted you to vote on gun legislation. "could you please ask him to come to south tucson?" he is all the time going to green valley. it is just too hard to get there. i did not even plan on this. i saw it on the news this morning. i was on my way to the doctor's appointment, but i felt obligated since i asked you to come here and you are here. [applause] i became disabled in december of 2010 due to a rare illness. i worked over 30 years. it killed me every time i heard senators, especially republicans, say we are takers. i paid taxes for over 30 years.
i have a rare illness and i am disabled. a disconnect between federal and state of arizona reputation, arizona is one of the few states in this country, run by republicans predominately, where there was a cost of living raise for social security. it was 3.6 %. the state of arizona raise the eligibility for a program that was paying $100 a month for my medication to 3.4%. consequently, i was cut off. $100 a month, which i could no longer go to physical therapy because i'm single and i have lived by myself and i am trying to make it on my own. researching at night, i watch c- span because i need to keep my brain going if my body will not.
thank you for all that you do. even though i am democrat, i vote for you oftentimes. [laughter] anyway -- what can we do to stop that? again, i contacted my record is in the those immediately, in his office, in his district, and we are just stuck. arizona is one of the few states where our legislature will not i was told by my case manager when i got the notice that i was going to get the increase, my first concern was, am i going to lose this program? i was told no. the state will raise the eligibility so you are already in the program. guess what -- a few months later i get the notice. what can you do to help? >> first of all, i have to give
you a straight talk. i can help you with that or programs and we can do everything we can to make sure that you receive everything that you are entitled to. and i hope that that is sufficient to help you successfully live in an independent living fashion and environment. i cannot tell the state legislature what to do. i can recommend to them -- >> thank you, that would help. >> but i would be glad to come, but i cannot write state laws. >> arizona is the only state that does that, and they do that intentionally to cut benefits from people. because we are the takers. >> thank you. you're not a taker. you're not. ok? >> i'm sorry. >> i will have somebody right after this meeting talk to you to see what we can do. >> thank you. thank you for coming to tucson.
>> all the way in the back. >> it is a privilege to talk to you. my son met with you years ago. i have been a door knocker. i am a real estate agent, and i have had companies that keep all the banks, all the majors -- and if you do not pay your mortgage and something is going on, i do what i do and i noticed that loans insured by the government, fha loans, you are underwater, the bank is holding it and tries to get your modification. the modification in general speaking -- everybody would agree -- means you will get something for yourself.
it turns out fha puts the partial claims on, people do not know what they have got, and banks are reselling these to individuals, where a car, 10 years old, gets a brand-new price. they cannot move forward. the banks are not regulated. they never had short sales, these departments, or anything, and now all of a sudden they create these things and each bank has a different recall, and people go to foreclosure. they do not have any way to fight to make some progress. what can be done to regulate these banks and get them under wraps?[applause] >> first of all, i think you are aware that the dodd-frank bill was supposed to, was advertised to make sure that none of these financial institutions were ever
again too big to fail. you believe that? of course not. of course not. the reason why this recovery has been so uneven in my view is that mr. bernanke gave the major financial institutions free money and you do not get free money when you go out and sell a house to someone for their rich. they do not get free money. that is wrong. what the major financial institutions are doing in making record profits and people like you and people you are serving are struggling. now we want to continue in existence fannie mae and freddie mac who were major perpetrators i find mind-boggling and -- if they people were trying to get a
mortgage, jpmorgan, that would be different. but it has an uneven recovery. wall street is making record profits. we have businesses and homeowners who are struggling. i may sound like a communist, but the fact is this is becoming a very uneven recovery, and that is wrong. middle-income americans and lower-income americans are not getting the benefit of this recovery. and we got to look at why not, and we got to look at these big we had hearings, thanks to senator levin, on morgan's whale trade. they lost $6 billion in their trade. some of that was taxpayer- insured money they were playing with. how do you justify -- i'm sorry to get wound up -- but all i can say is you have my sympathy. i think it is good news that the housing market in arizona is coming back really well. thanks. i have always said it was the collapse of the housing market
that started this. so there's good news out there for arizona as far as the housing is concerned. you and i still know thousands and thousands of small business people in this state who are struggling mightily, and still nearly half of the home loan mortgages are underwater -- worth less than their mortgage. that cannot continue in my view. these people's mortgages have to be renegotiated. that was what i suggested years ago. you want to respond real quick? >> [indiscernible] they are taking place [indiscernible] they are getting loans shoved down their throats that they do not understand. [indiscernible]
you do not know what is really going to go down. [indiscernible] >> gotcha. my friends, i will be back to south tucson -- everybody is clear that i am supposed to be holding town hall meetings, and i thank you for your participation, and i hope we can continue this immigration reform. congress is in recess, and i hope we can bring people on board through the voice of the people. thank you, and god bless. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] like senator mccain also appears on the "state of the union" program. we also heard from connecticut senator blumenthal and representative king on fox news
sunday. take a look. >> first of all, i wanted to give them an opportunity to do the right thing after the coup had taken place. it was pretty clear to say the least that they have not only not changed, but they have orchestrated a massacre, as you mentioned, we don't know at thousand or many thousands wounded. we have no credibility. that is the problem because we know that the administration call the egyptians and said look, if you do a coup, we're going to cut off aid because that is the law. we have to comply with the law. -- and this administration did not do that after threatening to do so, we are not in compliance with the law about a coup, which is clearly what it is. and then we thought there was possibly a deal to be made where they would release a couple of the muslim brotherhood, including the former speaker of the